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Submitted by philip on 27 April, 2012 - 11:39

PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

We know that the requests for an MSI Installer are coming regularly and that a lot of admins has the need for this. Many users have donated for this and we bought InstallAware some time ago. I have spent more than a month of development time this year to create and MSI Installer with InstallAware.

The actual installation works, but InstallAware's way of passing parameters in silent installs is via command line parameters. Unfortunately, there are no command line parameters when deploying the setup through an Active Directory. The only way to pass parameters is through an MST file. This in turn is not able to change parameters within InstallAware. The suggestions from their side would be to read the path of a settings file from the registry, which could be set via GPO, but this does not appear as a reasonable solution to us.

So we have wasted a lot of time developing something without use for anyone. At the same time, the MSI is only required by admins that are deploying through AD, as other tools allow to deploy EXE setups as well. This still leaves a good amount of admins out there, but it does not affect all admins. We don't know when we can take up our efforts on the MSI topic again, as we are currently planning a lot of improvements and a complete rework on PDFCreator itself.

If anyone should regret having donated money back then, we of course will pay it back. In that case, please just leave a mail with your PayPal address and - if you have it - the Transaction number, so we can refund the money.

I hope that we will not leave you too disappointed here and hope, that we will be able to find a solution for this in the future.

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

Has anyone got a more modern release of this PDFCreator, greater than V1, as an MSI package?

I've got an old one (v0.93) and successfully deployed to 100+ workstations perfectly via GPOs. I'm now working for another company who require the same thing; but I personally prefer some of the later advancements/features of PDFCreator..  anyone got a recent copy I could 'try'?

admin at simongoodier dot com

 

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

It look like the writer philip has very limited understanding of MSI. AD deployment has NO command line options. There is no technical way to add command line options with AD deployment. All customizations of an MSI are made via transforms - always! This is the way how MSI works - there is no other way if it comes to AD deployment. This will also NOT change with WiX.

Everything in an MSI is a feature and features can be installed via command line options. There are also ways to set variables from command line, but this is all ONLY for silent installs and not for AD deployment.

It sounds more like the developers are trying something old fashioned without trying to understand that their mind must change with MSI first. Throw all your knowledge about other installers away and start from scratch. Don't try to bend MSI to archive something that any other installer does in a bad way. *Hell* so many years and still no MSI installer...

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

I'm part of the team which works on Advanced Installer, an MSI-based setup authoring tool. We recently released a feature which does what you need and more. Basically, you can wrap any existing installer, doesn't matter what type, into an MSI so it can be deployed through Active Directory. It can also create MSI installers from scratch, if you need it.

 

If you want to try again, contact me or write to support at advancedinstaller dot com so we can talk about your needs. I can also offer you a free license which covers them and free support to help you create the installer.

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

Active Directory people out there should try deploying using a 'zap' file.  They're simple text files and I've successfully used them to deploy PDF Creator using GP deployment.  See: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231747 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAP_File

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

Have you tried to save the installation as .exe?

Take a look at the InstallAware forum:
http://www.installaware.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6497
about "Extracting MSI files from EXE"

Aviv Giladi from Installware:
"Simply running a setup extracts everything into %TMP%.
However, files can be extracted directly using any 7ZIP format extractor."

This way you should get the inner .msi.

(This is simular to what InstallShield do)

To make .mst you can use the free software
- Orca by Microsoft
- InstEd by Instedit

Hope this can help to continue the story ...

Geir Håkon

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

 Indeed I am! Get in touch with me, dan at aceappsolutions dot co dot uk, and maybe we can work something out?

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

@packageologist: That sounds great. Our work in progress in done with InstallAware. The complete rewrite probably will have to be done in WiX. Are you experienced with that?

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

 Hi, I have a great deal of experience in MSI packaging.  If you give me your work in progress I will fix it for you!

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

The problem is, that you can't edit the MSI setups that are created with InstallAware, as they encapsule the actual setup. Actually, InstallAware produces a MSI installer, puts that into an EXE setup and puts that into an MSI again. And that removes any control over the setup inside.

We now would have to implement something to read all the settings from a known place, which has to be distributed to the PCs somehow.

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

I agree with the above comment. There are some free tools to edit MSI and change some settings in it. The hardest work is to create the MSI. Why not giving us a general MSI that anyone could edit ? As it was said above, it's already better than nothing. And so, you would not have done so much work for nothing.

Re: PDFCreator as MSI - The never ending story

Even if it's not ideal, a pacakged MSI + GPO is still better than nothing - you've put in the work so why keep denying those who have the need for it?